Debate confirms Kitzhaber as the only environmental candidate for governor
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Tonight’s debate made it perfectly clear that John Kitzhaber is the only candidate for governor ready and willing to protect Oregon’s natural legacy for future generations. Once again, he demonstrated his commitment to leadership and innovation in protecting Oregon's land, water and wildlife, and talked about the environment throughout the debate whether the question prompted it or not.
Oregonians can count on John Kitzhaber to promote a balanced approach that creates good paying jobs, strengthens the economy and makes Oregon a healthier place to live and work.
Tonight, we also saw clearly that Chris Dudley will take us backward on the environment. Instead of protecting Oregon’s natural legacy Dudley will be beholden to the big corporate special interests. He drew a complete blank when Jeff Mapes asked him about land use and development. Kitzhaber, on the other hand, showed his astute understanding of Oregon land-use policy and the challenges we face, and pushed for balanced growth. (The Oregonian's Steve Duin called out Dudley's difficulty with the question in his post-debate write-up.)
But the environmental whopper of the night was Jeff Mapes' direct question to Chris Dudley about whether he believes that global warming is caused by humans (adding that Oregonians have a right to an answer to this question). It's no surprise, yet incredibly concerning, that Dudely remained ambivalent. Watch the exchange here--it starts at -6:03.
Jeff Mapes: Isn't it really important for Oregonians to know whether you think global warming is a real threat or not... to help us evaluate how you would deal with these kinds of environmental issues in the future? So, what is global warming? A man-made threat or not?
Chris Dudley: "...I don't know how much is man-made and how much is natural..."
Really? So, despite the years of consensus among top climate scientists around the world that the climate change we are now experiencing is caused by human behavior, Chris Dudley still isn't sure? And how will that, um, confusion about global warming translate into policy? Well, Dudley opposes a limit on greenhouse gas pollution in the state, giving the green light to Oregon's largest polluters to do whatever they want, while shunning the largest growing job sector in the state right now.
It's clear that Dudley will put Oregon’s clean water, clean air and growing renewable energy economy at great risk. We’ve already seen that despite the BP disaster in the gulf coast that Dudley is willing to put Oregon’s coastal economy at risk with offshore drilling. It is clear that Dudley will side with the big corporations.
Meanwhile, Kitzhaber said twice during tonight's debate that he supports a ban on offshore drilling off Oregon's coast, and that he does believe that "global climate change is human-caused... and poses an enormous threat..."
Dudley on the record about the environment:
- Despite the disaster in the Gulf, Dudley is open to offshore oil drilling.
- Dudley wants to cut funding for water quality protection. This is why he has taken thousands in campaign contributions from big polluters.
- Dudley opposes a plan to protect clean air by cracking down on big polluters.
- Dudley opposes Measure 76, which will continue voter-approved funding for Oregon’s water, parks and wildlife.
- Dudley does not believe the unprecedented climate change the planet is now experiencing can be attributed to human behavior, and opposes limits on greenhouse gas pollution.
Kitzhaber’s record of protecting Oregon’s environmental legacy:
- Kitzhaber led efforts to pass the Oregon Salmon Plan, the Oregon Recycling Act, and created Oregon’s network of watershed councils which protect clean drinking water.
- Kitzhaber helped kick off the green economy by recruiting Oregon's first renewable energy company.
- Kitzhaber stood up to polluters and corporate special interests and stopped dozens of bills that would have damaged Oregon’s forests, rivers and oceans.
- Kitzhaber supports a ban on offshore drilling off Oregon's coast.
Could the choice be any clearer?
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I am a computer scientist. I teach Computer Science at PCC. I have a Ph.D. in Computer Science.
Much of the faith that CO2 is warming the planet comes from computer models of the climate that I have strong doubts about. For instance, the last time that one of these models was independently evaluated was 40 years ago. All we know about the quality of these complex computer programs is what their creators have chosen to tell us.
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But the environmental whopper of the night was Jeff Mapes' direct question to Chris Dudley about whether he believes that global warming is caused by humans (adding that Oregonians have a right to an answer to this question). It's no surprise, yet incredibly concerning, that Dudely remained ambivalent.
JK asks:
I would be very interested in hearing why you believe that man is causing global warming. I mean, can you show me the evidence. Real empirical evidence, not computer models.
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Hi Jon! Yes I did watch the debate last night and John K was commanding and squashed Dudley do-wrong. John K had the answers and you could tell they were well thought out from his own head. He was not coached and told what to say as it looked like Dudley was. Dudley had no answers and that would be the way his governorship would be, but it won't be. Thank you for writing.
I work every night from 2:30pm to 8pm. I am doing two jobs trying to keep my head above water--thanks to the Bush policies.
I am telling every democrat I know they have to vote and we have to retain the position we have and make it stronger. We cannot slide back into the abyss.
Dave McCorkle
Comrade! Keep up your good work informing us all about your studied conclusions regarding Climate Change. Yes. Humans have caused not only carbon dioxide, but a complete takeover of the White House by our fellow communists. Lead on and support the revolution. Our next lie is about the fact that earths electromagnetic field is undergoing change due to the imbalance caused by carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere.
Henry,
You're joking right? That was a lampoon?
Anyone who would need that entry level of a "greenhouse gas" lesson at this point of the AGW debate has either been living on Mars the last 5 years or just entered the 1st grade.
That elementary lesson of yours is now, in the real world of AGW analysis, nothing but a tall tale.
You might as well be citing the Lubchenco tall tale about Oregon's Ocean Zones being cause by AGW.
You may want to freshen up the old noggin. I fear you've about reached your own tipping point.
"Oregonians can count on John Kitzhaber to promote a balanced approach that creates good paying jobs, strengthens the economy and makes Oregon a healthier place to live and work."
What a crock and a sell out of Oregon. This organization is willing to sell out Oregon down the drain with a whole lot of horrific policies because they are only concerned about their own agenda that is primarily centered around the fraud of AGW.
These NaiveOcrats can't even discover what a fraud the so called consensus is. They've not learned anything at all during the past couple years of AGW unraveling. Because they want so bad for it all to to be true.
So opposing the greenhouse gas nonsense now becomes the green light to Oregon's largest polluters to do whatever they want to our air & water.
And they equate the deep water drilling incident in the gulf with all off shore drilling. Never mind these same fools are opposed to all drilling and mining anywhere.
Mr. Dudley shows a total lack of understanding of the science behind anthropogenic (man induced) global warming. In the 1960s, as a graduate student in meteorology, I was asked to do a heat balance for the Earth - calculating the expected average temperature of the Earth based on the amount of energy it intercepts coming from the Sun, and how much it radiates away. The result is startling - the average temperature one calculates in this way is far lower than the measured average temperature of the Earth during the time mankind has lived on it. The reason for this is the "Greenhouse Effect" - certain gases, such as carbon dioxide, methane and water vapor, absorb energy very efficiently in the infrared, precisely where the Earth radiates it. These gases then re-radiate this energy both up and down. The part radiated down is retained by the Earth, thereby raising its average temperature. The average temperature of the Earth has been rising over the last few centuries, precisely in step with the increase in the carbon dioxide loading of the Earth's atmosphere caused by the highly increased use of carbon based fuels following the Industrial Revolution.
We are rapidly approaching a "tipping point" where the average temperature of the Earth will rise even more sharply. This is because a great deal of the greenhouse gas methane is tied up in methane hydrates on the ocean floors. As the sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is almost completely melting during the Summer now, the temperature of the water near the ocean floor is starting to rise. This temperature rise of the water at the ocean floor will cause the breakdown of these methane hydrates, releasing massive amounts of methane into the atmosphere, which will greatly increase the greenhouse effect of Earth's atmosphere, and result in an even faster rise in the average temperature. None of us will want to - or be able to - live on the Earth if this happens!
Both Jon Isaacs and Henry Bennett fail to understand how science works, which leads them to (many) erroneous conclusions about Global Warming and about which candidate for governor displays the greatest understanding of Global Warming. Only those who correctly understand the science can have any claim to making wise choices for our environment.
Nobel Laureate in Physics Richard Feynman described the process we use to determine physical laws as follows:
" In general, we look for a new law by the following process. First, we guess it. Then we compute the consequences of the guess to see what would be implied if this law that we guessed is right. Then we compare the result of the computation to nature, with experiment or experience, compare it directly with observation to see if it works. If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is. It does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is---if it disagrees with experiment it is wrong."
Note that the only acceptable tests of any physical law are experiments, not authority or consensus or hysteria.
Bennett retells the usual Global Warming tale with as scary a conclusion as he can muster. What's wrong with that, if as he says, others agree? The problem is that there is no evidence that man-made CO2 is now or will ever have more than a minor effect on the globally averaged lower troposphere temperature. Yes, there have been natural climate fluctuations in the past that will surely occur in the future. But these had nothing to do with man!
Those without training in science can easily understand the ruse with Global Warming: sell natural variations to the unwary as somehow caused by man. That may work with the gullible until the climate oscillation changes from the warmth we have seen since about 1977 to the cold phase of the Pacific Ocean cycle. That is now occurring. Tropical sea surface temperatures have plunged dramatically recently. Also, the Sun has become unusually quiet, which is an indication of colder conditions to come.
After record high temperatures in central Russia this summer, Russian scientists are now predicting the coldest winter "in a thousand years." While that is going a bit far in my estimation, their logic is solid: a quieter Sun has a considerably reduced x-ray and UV output which leads to less heating of the upper atmosphere and a likely stagnant jet-stream. Should the jet-stream again stagnate over central Russia as it did last summer, look out for bitter cold.
Many of our record high and record low temperatures occurred long ago, as we were coming out of the Little Ice Age. The record high for all of the Pacific Northwest region (119 F) occurred in Pendleton, Oregon on August 10, 1898, yes more than 100 years ago.
While neither candidate for Oregon Governor displays much knowledge of science, only Chris Dudley is able to steer clear of the Global Warming propaganda. That speaks well for him. He understands that science needs to be left to those scientists who still subscribe to the Scientific Method.
In an age where politicized science has largely replaced real science, it is refreshing to hear a politician make some sense!
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Corbett, Oregon USA
gordonfulks@hotmail.com
Dear Mr. "Graduate Student" in meteorology in the 1960's: Care to tell us your real name and where you went to school? Your claim that the bare Planck radiating temperature of the earth is considerably lower than without greenhouse gases proves nothing.
For someone who was a graduate student in meteorology, it makes me wonder just what you took and understand. To say that all of the greenhouse constituents absorb infrared radiation, therefore increasing CO2 to any conceivable human contribution ( about 750 ppmv to double it ) would have the same or equal effect as the other constituents is just nonsense and drivel. CO2 absorbs surface infrared radiation primarily up around 15 microns of wavelength, which is longer than the mean earth emission maximum of 10 microns. It can have no direct warming effect here in the troposphere, it's effects are at the surface, but only secondary in importance because of water vapor and clouds. Further, water vapor and clouds absorb at many other wavelengths that surround CO2, including ALL infrared from the surface in the case of cloud or high humidity. It clearly dominates and ultimately controls infrared emission from the earth's surface and the first working radiative transfer model made by Walt Elsasser from Harvard University clearly demonstrates that CO2 does not modify the surface infrared flux, but only water vapor does. The Elsaser model is still used as a gold standard in atmospheric radiation transfer problems.
You are lying about arctic sea ice. It is NOT almost all melting in the arctic, but infact rebounding from the record low set in 2007, including this year. The peak melt still had 3.8 million square kilometers of ice earlier this month and now rapidly refreezing.
Your "tipping points" drivel is about as stupid as your other claims, as new ALL time record low temperatures set in Alaska this week proves the 10% increase in global CO2 is not having ANY measurable effect in constraining minimum temperatures even with lower humdity.
You, John Kitzhaber and all of the other special interests pining for carbon legislation and new taxes are the ones woefully ignorant about climate and greenhouse gas theory. And you are not only ignorant, but now lying about these effects openly to promote new taxes, which are then going to be used to expand government authority over the masses while pillaging private sector bank accounts. No thanks. The public wants no part of this fraud and the gig is up on the lies. There is so much information that counters any claim you make available, you look very much like the fool you are for continuing to tout it. Kitzhaber is a disengenuous flake about global warming, promoting it to protect the public labor unions who want new jobs from this crap that the taxpayer gets nothing for, except to be ripped off from the likes of people like you!
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Meteorologist